Service Book, Nomination, WBSR, Lien.
#5526 by bithi_dutta
24 Sep 2012, 17:59
nemo wrote:
10moy wrote:@Admin @Moderators of this forum - if you think my posts are diluting the gravity of the forum then you have full liberty to cancel my membership from this forum.


I don't think so. Every members should have such freedom of speech. Possibly I am having different opinion with Moderator along with few other well wishers of this forum. :ugeek:

May I know what opinion do you & moderator have?
What opinions do the other well wishers express? Kindly refer the link to that segment or communications!
#5529 by nemo
24 Sep 2012, 19:40
I have already expressed my opinion.

I can remember, one of our friend "adil85" once criticised the whole government body incl. political leaders, ministers etc. During that time, Moderator and other so called well wishers strongly made objection against his voice to keep the forum safe from any state level interference. I did not argue with them, because it is primarily Moderator's responsibility to keep the flow of discussion in right path and I think "som" is performing his duty very efficiently.

I could not refer the link because it is already moderated. I also think that Moderation is an act of violation of freedom of expression. :roll:

Ultimately, at this point I am confused. :?
#5532 by som
24 Sep 2012, 20:19
As far my dull memory is concerned, I never objected Adil85 to put his comments and never moderated his post except editing a little spelling mistake. Moreover I am not the sole moderator of this forum, the admin is also a moderator and I think the responsibility goes to all including the members of this forum. The guidelines for posting of this forum never restrict anybody to open his/her mouth against political leaders. I think all of the members of this forum are wise enough and none will make any comment which will create problem in future.
#5538 by Ray
24 Sep 2012, 21:29
donyi_polo wrote:I have seen that the Govt. of WB has replaced the term "Govt. Servant" by "Govt. Employee" in Gazette Notification of amendments of certain rules. But, the Central Govt. still retains the use of the phrase "Govt. Servant".
What is the difference between the terms "Govt. Employee" and "Govt. Servant"? Members Pls help!


No matter the reason behind it, but since the term 'Government Servant' has been replaced with 'Government Employee' there is no point in seeking difference between two things of which one does not exist. However, I feel it values nothing except a 'feel good' for employees. The term 'Public Servant' exists though.
#5539 by b_roy
24 Sep 2012, 21:51
10moy wrote: আসলে এ সবই আমাদের সবার প্রিয় :| বামফ্রন্ট সরকারের অবদান। আসলে ঔপন্যবেসিক স্ম্রাজ্যবাদী প্রভুদের ভাষার বদলে শ্রমিক কৃষক এর ভাষা আমদানি করতে এই পরিবর্তনগুলি করা হয়েছিল অন্য কোন কিছুর জন্য নয়। কেন্দ্রে তো কোনদিন বাম সরকার ছিল না আর হবার কোন আশাও নেই...

Every one has the right to express his/her voice but I personally believe any political stand against or for any particular individual or organisation should be avoided in this forum as far as possible.
Thanks,
#5552 by 10moy
25 Sep 2012, 06:55
On this issue I like to appeal to the Admin and Moderator to bring the Negative Reputation system back again. I expressed my personal opinion.
#5556 by bithi_dutta
25 Sep 2012, 08:31
A Ray wrote:................................
No matter the reason behind it, but since the term 'Government Servant' has been replaced with 'Government Employee' there is no point in seeking difference between two things of which one does not exist. However, I feel it values nothing except a 'feel good' for employees. The term 'Public Servant' exists though.

Dear Mr. Ray,
There is, indeed, justification for seeking the difference in two terms when it was amended on being passed in the State Assembly and Approved by the Governor!
Pls elaborate if it has lost any significance!

Is there any difference between a "Public Servant" and a "Civil Servant"?
With regards.
#5710 by donyi_polo
28 Sep 2012, 09:25
10moy wrote:Dr Majumder,
ওটা "master-servant" relation না "master-slave" relation? :?: আপনার নিজের কর্মক্ষেত্রের অভিজ্ঞতা কি বলে?

আচ্ছা বলুন তো "Jail" কি করে "Correctional Home" হল? :!: :!:

আসলে এ সবই আমাদের সবার প্রিয় :| বামফ্রন্ট সরকারের অবদান। আসলে ঔপন্যবেসিক স্ম্রাজ্যবাদী প্রভুদের ভাষার বদলে শ্রমিক কৃষক এর ভাষা আমদানি করতে এই পরিবর্তনগুলি করা হয়েছিল অন্য কোন কিছুর জন্য নয়। কেন্দ্রে তো কোনদিন বাম সরকার ছিল না আর হবার কোন আশাও নেই, তাই আমরা "Govt. Employee" আর আপনারা "Govt. Servant"। :P :P :P


Dear friends,

As far a I know that the old concept of a Jail was to keep a convict at bay from civil society in order to protect the sanctity & interest of society from his perilous presence which would have an adverse effect on others. He is basically legally ostrasized. Now, the concept has been changed, making room for a new one which construes this confinement as a fruitful method of reform of character – metamorphosis from a notorious rogue to the great Valmiki.

Look at Nigel Akara who does not deny his past. He said "I was bad. I did all the wrong things perhaps because of a burning greed inside me. I lusted for money and would do anything to get it. I led a gang - Vicky's gang. It is quite natural that I would land up in jail. But I thank god that jail happened, otherwise I would have never come back to life,"

Watch "M U K T A D H A R A".

That’s how a Jail has become a Correctional Home. The term "Jail" was a misnomer. As far as I know, our state is the Pathfinder of this reformal process, receiving respectful attention from other states.

As regards the replacement of term "Govt. Servant" with "Govt. Employee" through amendment in WBS (Classification, Control and Appeal) Rules, 1971 by Gazette Notification (usually done after passing the proposal in the State Assembly and getting subsequent approval from the Governor), I have been informed that there is a State Govt. Memorandum containing the rationality of such change.

With regards.
#5738 by Ray
29 Sep 2012, 02:47
bithi_dutta wrote:Dear Mr. Ray,
There is, indeed, justification for seeking the difference in two terms when it was amended on being passed in the State Assembly and Approved by the Governor!
Pls elaborate if it has lost any significance!

Dear Ms. Dutta,
The term “Government Servant” has been replaced by the term “Government Employee” very recently (with effect from the 20th February, 2008) vide Notification No. 1440 – F. dated 20th February, 2008, published in Kolkata Gazette on 22nd February, 2008.

The text is -

In exercise of the power conferred by the proviso to Article 309 of the Constitution of India, the Governor is pleased hereby to make the following amendments to the West Bengal Services (Classification, Control and Appeal) Rules, 1971 as subsequently amended (hereinafter referred to as the said rules):-

Amendments

In the said rules-
(1) for the words “Government Servant”, wherever they occur, substitute the words
“Government Employee”;
……
…….
The basic reason has been stated earlier. It is not that the word “Government Employee” was not in use, rather in most of the rules this is the word which has been used. For reference – W.B.S.R. itself (issued in 1971, contemporary to CCA Rules), only in a few other rules “Government Servant” was mentioned and use of the same was to be discontinued.

bithi_dutta wrote:Is there any difference between a "Public Servant" and a "Civil Servant"?
With regards.

A major difference, there is. And for the purpose of comprehension, we have to sail back few decades- the Word 'Public Service' was defined in the THE PREVENTION OF CORRUPTION ACT , 1988 (Central Act No.49\1988). Extract of relevant part is given for reference.

..........
2. Definitions: - In this Act, unless the context otherwise requires.-
(a) "Election" means any election, by whatever means held under any law for the purpose of selecting members of Parliament or any Legislature, local authority or other public authority;
(b) "Public Duty" means a duty in the discharge of which the State, the public or the community at large has an interest;
Explanation,- In this clause "State" includes a Corporation established by or under a Central, Provincial or State Act, or an authority or a body owned or controlled or aided by the Government or a Government company as defined in Section 617 of the Companies Act, 1956 (1 of 1956);
(c) " Public Servant " means.-
(i) any person in the service or pay of the Government or remunerated by the Government by fees or commission for the performance of any public duty;
(ii) any person in the service or pay of a local authority ;
(iii)any person in the service or pay of a Corporation established by or under a Central , provincial or State Act, or an authority or a body owned or controlled or aided by the Government or a Government Company as defined in Section 617 of the Companies Act , 1956 (1 of 1956)
(iv) any judge, including any person empowered by Law to discharge, whether by himself or as a member of anybody of persons, any adjudicatory functions;
(v) any person authorized by a court of justice to perform any duty, in connection with the administration of justice, including a liquidator, receiver or commissioner appointed by such court.
(vi) any arbitrator or other person to whom, any cause or matter has been referred for decision or report by a court of justice or by a competent public authority.
(vii) any person who holds an office by virtue of which he is empowered to prepare , publish , maintain or revise an electoral roll or to conduct an election or part of an election;
(viii) any person who holds an office by virtue of which he is authorised or required to perform any public duty;
(ix) any person who is the president, Secretary or of other office bearer of a registered co-operative society engaged in agriculture, industry, trade or banking, receiving or having received any financial aid from the Central Government or a State Government or from any Corporation established by or under a Central, provincial or State Act, or any authority or body owned or controlled or aided by the Government or a Government Company as defined in Section 617 of the Companies Act, 1956 (1 of 1956);
(x) any person who is a Chairman, member or employee of any Service Commission or Board, by whatever name called, or a member of any selection committee appointed by such Commission or Board for the conduct of any examination or making any selection on behalf of such Commission or Board;
(xi) any person who is a Vice-Chancellor or member of any governing body , professor, reader, lecturer or any other teacher or employee, by whatever designation called, of any University and any person whose services have been availed of by a University or any other public authority in connection with holding or conducting examinations;
(xii) any person who is an office bearer or an employee of an educational, scientific, social , cultural or other institution, in whatever manner established, receiving or having received any financial assistance from the Central Government or any State Government or local or other public authority.
Explanation 1- persons falling under any of the above sub-clauses or public servants whether appointed by the Government or not.
Explanation 2- Wherever the words "Public Servant" occur, they shall be understood of every person who is in actual possession of the situation of a public servant, whatever legal defect there may be in his right to hold that situation.



Whereas 'Civil Service' is covered by PART XIV of our Constitution. Relevant portion is also presented for a quick view



PART XIV
SERVICES UNDER THE UNION AND THE STATES
CHAPTER I.— SERVICES

308. Interpretation.—In this Part, unless the context otherwise requires, the expression “State” does not include the State of Jammu and Kashmir.

309. Recruitment and conditions of service of persons serving the Union or a State.—Subject to the provisions of this Constitution, Acts of the appropriate Legislature may regulate the recruitment, and conditions of service of persons appointed, to public services and posts in connection with the affairs of the Union or of any State:
Provided that it shall be competent for the President or such person as he may direct in the case of services and posts in connection with the affairs of the Union, and for the Governor of a State or such person as he may direct in the case of services and posts in connection with the affairs of the State, to make rules regulating the recruitment, and the conditions of service of persons appointed, to such services and posts until provision in that behalf is made by or under an Act of the appropriate Legislature under this article, and any rules so made shall have effect subject to the provisions of any such Act.

310. Tenure of office of persons serving the Union or a State.—(1) Except as expressly provided by this Constitution, every person who is a member of a defence service or of a civil service of the Union or of an all-India service or holds any post connected with defence or any civil post under the Union holds office during the pleasure of the President, and every person who is a member of a civil service of a State or holds any civil post under a State holds office during the pleasure of the Governor of the State.

(2) Notwithstanding that a person holding a civil post under the Union or a State holds office during the pleasure of the President or, as the case may be, of the Governor of the State, any contract under which a person, not being a member of a defence service or of an all-India service or of a civil service of the Union or a State, is appointed under this Constitution to hold such a post may, if the President or the Governor, as the case may be, deems it necessary in order to secure the services of a person having special qualifications, provide for the payment to him of compensation, if before the expiration of an agreed period that post is abolished or he is, for reasons not connected with any misconduct on his part, required to vacate that post.

311. Dismissal, removal or reduction in rank of persons employed in civil capacities under the Union or a State.—(1) No person who is a member of a civil service of the Union or an all-India service or a civil service of a State or holds a civil post under the Union or a State shall be dismissed or removed by an authority subordinate to that by which he was appointed.
(2) No such person as aforesaid shall be dismissed or removed or reduced in rank except after an inquiry in which he has been informed of the charges against him and given a reasonable opportunity of being heard in respect of those charges:
Provided that where it is proposed after such inquiry, to impose upon him any such penalty, such penalty may be imposed on the basis of the evidence adduced during such inquiry and it shall not be necessary to give such person any opportunity of making representation on the penalty proposed:
Provided further that this clause shall not apply—
(a) where a person is dismissed or removed or reduced in rank on the ground of conduct which has led to his conviction on a criminal charge; or
(b) where the authority empowered to dismiss or remove a person or to reduce him in rank is satisfied that for some reason, to be recorded by that authority in writing, it is not reasonably practicable to hold such inquiry; or
(c) where the President or the Governor, as the case may be, is satisfied that in the interest of the security of the State it is not expedient to hold such inquiry.
(3) If, in respect of any such person as aforesaid, a question arises whether it is reasonably practicable to hold such inquiry as is referred to in clause (2), the decision thereon of the authority empowered to dismiss or remove such person or to reduce him in rank shall be final.

312. All-India services.—(1) Notwithstanding anything in Chapter VI of Part VI or Part XI, if the Council of States has declared by resolution supported by not less than two-thirds of the members present and voting that it is necessary or expedient in the national interest so to do, Parliament may by law provide for the creation of one or more all India services (including an all-India judicial service) common to the Union and the States, and, subject to the other provisions of this Chapter, regulate the recruitment, and the conditions of service of persons appointed, to any such service.
(2) The services known at the commencement of this Constitution as the Indian Administrative Service and the Indian Police Service shall be deemed to be services created by Parliament under this article.
(3) The all-India judicial service referred to in clause (1) shall not include any post inferior to that of a district judge as defined in article 236.
(4) The law providing for the creation of the all-India judicial service aforesaid may contain such provisions for the amendment of Chapter VI of Part VI as may be necessary for giving effect to the provisions of that law and no such law shall be deemed to be an amendment of this Constitution for the purposes of article 368.

312A. Power of Parliament to vary or revoke conditions of service of officers of certain services.—(1) Parliament may by law—
(a) vary or revoke, whether prospectively or retrospectively, the conditions of services as respects remuneration, leave and pension and the rights as respects disciplinary matters of persons who, having been appointed by the Secretary of State or Secretary of State in Council to a civil service of the Crown in India before the commencement of this Constitution, continue on and after the commencement of the Constitution (Twenty-eighth Amendment) Act, 1972, to serve under the Government of India or of a State in any service or post;
(b) vary or revoke, whether prospectively or retrospectively, the conditions of service as respects pension of persons who, having been appointed by the Secretary of State or Secretary of State in Council to a civil service of the Crown in India before the commencement of this Constitution, retired or otherwise ceased to be in service at any time before the commencement of the Constitution (Twenty-eighth Amendment) Act, 1972:
Provided that in the case of any such person who is holding or has held the office of the Chief Justice or other Judge of the Supreme Court or a High Court, the Comptroller and Auditor-General of India, the Chairman or other member of the Union or a State Public Service Commission or the Chief Election Commissioner, nothing in sub-clause (a) or sub-clause (b) shall be construed as empowering Parliament to vary or revoke, after his appointment to such post, the conditions of his service to his disadvantage except in so far as such conditions of service are applicable to him by reason of his being a person appointed by the Secretary of State or Secretary of State in Council to a civil service of the Crown in India.
(2) Except to the extent provided for by Parliament by law under this article, nothing in this article shall affect the power of any Legislature or other authority under any other provision of this Constitution to regulate the conditions of service of persons referred to in clause (1).
(3) Neither the Supreme Court nor any other court shall have jurisdiction in—
(a) any dispute arising out of any provision of, or any endorsement on, any covenant, agreement or other similar instrument which was entered into or executed by any person referred to in clause (1), or arising out of any letter issued to such person, in relation to his appointment to any civil service of the Crown in India or his continuance in service under the Government of the Dominion of India or a Province thereof;
(b) any dispute in respect of any right, liability or obligation under article 314 as originally enacted.
(4) The provisions of this article shall have effect notwithstanding anything in article 314 as originally enacted or in any other provision of this Constitution.
313. Transitional provisions.—Until other provision is made in this behalf under this Constitution, all the laws in force immediately before the commencement of this Constitution and applicable to any public service or any post which continues to exist after the commencement of this Constitution, as an all-India service or as service or post under the Union or a State shall continue in force so far as consistent with the provisions of this Constitution.
314. [Provision for protection of existing officers of certain services.] Rep. by the Constitution (Twenty-eighth Amendment) Act, 1972, s. 3 (w.e.f. 29-8-1972)


The differences, as you can see, could not be placed in a nutshell, and therefore, I, sincerely apologize for engaging a considerably greater amount of your time for going through the reply.

Regards.
#5739 by som
29 Sep 2012, 08:54
A Ray wrote:Dear Ms. Dutta,
The term “Government Servant” has been replaced by the term “Government Employee” very recently (with effect from the 20th February, 2008) vide Notification No. 1440 – F. dated 20th February, 2008, published in Kolkata Gazette on 22nd February, 2008.

The G.O. may be downloaded from the following link. http://wbxpress.com/wp-content/uploads/ ... ervice.pdf
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